Your mid wants a liner

The two biggest complaints folks have with floorless pyramid shelters are lying with the creepy crawlies in the dirt, and rubbing up against condensation on the walls.  The first complaint is largely, though not entirely, a matter of changing context and expectation.  The second is a serious issue that can be both a nuisance and a hazard, and I would suggest is right now inadequately addressed by virtually all makers of backpackable mids (read: those with a canopy weight of 32 oz or less).


There’s an easy though not definitive solution to the condensation issue: liners.  Unless they are truly enormous vents don’t do much to reduce condensation in mids.  If there is enough air circulation (i.e. wind) to make them effective condensation is usually not so bad anyway.  Ditto for the common tactic of raising the hem well off the ground.  The weather shedding shape which makes mids so effective in severe weather just doesn’t do well promoting air circulation.  Change the design to make that happen, and you’ll inherently compromise weather resistance.  Mids are a good quiver of one because they’re geared towards the worst weather most backcountry travelers will experience (ask Jaakko about shelters for polar travel), but when many people buy a mid or tipi, they overpurchase.

Back to liners; my first experience was early this year in a Seek Outside 4 man tipi, and it was a true head slapper moment.  A simple half liner of simple, non-coated nylon turns half your mid into a double walled tent.  As shown below, condensation (or frost) collects on the inside of the silnylon, while the liner (and thus the sleeping bag or head of anyone who rubs against it) stays dry.  Dead simple, pretty darn light, and effective.  The dead air space created also adds a small amount of warmth, though in windy conditions the deflection inherent in mids and the fact that a liner isn’t a true double wall largely erases that benefit.


So far as I can tell, half liners were invented (like modern PU and later silnylon tipis) by Patrick Smith, at Kifaru.  Interestingly, this mention of liners says that Kifaru began their development when they started working with sil in 2003-2004, intimating that condensation is worse with a silicone coating.  All my mid experience is post-sil, and I’d be interested in further thoughts or experience with that particular question.


In any case, the functionality of a liner is beyond question, which is why I made one for our Little Bug Out.  Simple 1.1 oz uncoated, uncalendered nylon to maximize breathability while minimizing weight and cost.  It doesn’t need to go all the way to the peak, nor all the way to the hem.  This one required a bit less than 4 yards of fabric, as well as adding four loops, one of each seam, 10 inches below the peak.  Total weight added, 5.5 ounces.  It only impinges on the interior room a tiny big, and not having to keep away from the walls adds, rather than takes away from, the functional space.  I’d like to see a few companies, ideally with folks who do better with >30 inch seams than I do, offer something similar.  They’re cheap and easy to make, and offer a more useful performance bump than the floors and bug nets which seem obligatory.

Mid devotees with a bit of sewing skill should try one out.


13 responses to “Your mid wants a liner”

  1. I would love something like this for the Cimarron and Lil Bug Out. Neat to see you made one.

    1. Enough requests and I imagine it would happen. Dead simple compared to everything else they make.

      1. True. They’ve been pretty responsive to email requests before.

  2. Dave,
    You are correct that Patrick Smith was the first to use a liner in a modern tipi, however he started using liners back in the Mountain Smith era. I had a Mountain Smith 4 Man tipi that was a rip-stop tipi with a full tie in lined back in the late 1980’s.
    I agree the half liner is really the way to go. I have a couple liners I need to sew this summer.

    1. Thanks Ed. The Wayback Machine has its limits. Any thoughts on sil v. PU and condensation differences?

      1. Dave,

        I think sil is a bit worse than PU for condensation but they are both bad in the right or perhaps I should say the wrong setting. My biggest reason I got the liner for the Mountain Smith was my Chocolate Lab would beat her tail on the tipi walls in the morning, ensuring a good rain storm.

        To have been involved in the evolution of tipis and wood stoves, it’s almost unbelievable how light the gear is today. I remember thinking how cool that I had a back packable hunting shelter with a wood stove that only weighed 16 lbs. Today my tipi/stove combo weighs 3-5 lbs. depending on what I take. In a lot of aspects, the “Good Old Day’s” are right now.

  3. The clip in liner for our Tarptent Clouburst 3 works well. On our last trip we didn’t use it the first night but did on the second. Both nights produced a lot of condensation and it was raining on the second morning. The experience when using the liner was far superior.

    1. I had forgotten about that. Good move on Tarptents part. How much does the liner weigh?

  4. Just weighed mine and it was 6.5 oz.

  5. […] real answer is to have a solid fabric, breathable liner, as pictured above and discussed here.  I’ve kept the liner permanently attached to my LBO since I made it, and it helped keep […]

  6. Looking past tipis, I think that Stephenson’s started using partial liners in their WarmLites since before the Flood – or at least since the ’60s. They use reflective nylon, and are very bullish about the anti-condensation benefits. I’m not an owner, but at least some of the reviews seem to back up their claims.

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